NEWRYABBEY tara of ireland, bagenal supposed castle

Secrets Of The Hidden Abbey Of The Iubhar Cinn Tragha. The Lost Tara
A Mediedval Irish Abbey Still Under Seige.
By Oliver Curran 1996- 2007 An Irish Artist

Ireland is dotted with similar door stones Leix & many other Abbey sites.

The part of the church building to the right in the picture below, with the white board in front of it, is the Great Church Choir, or the sacristy, I believe it the choir from what I seen with my own eyes.sadly It is now the supposed lost Bagenal castle. The yellow part left, is historically recorded as the Blessed Virgin Mary" Church of Newry & of the nine alters,some of these alters would have stretched over the Lidl Castle Street entrance area " This building which still has the 9 alter pillars along the walls of its interrior can prove by its structure features that it really is what I say it is.

It may seem strange, but Newry Co Down Is the first ever written about Tara In Ireland. A.D. 1258, we read in our native Annals of an Irish Parliament, at or near Newry. However even with these Irish annals & sparce the words may may be, local written history omits them especially so In the past 500 yrs. Not a word Is mentioned either about our Catholic beginning's, yet the English history, right or wrong is well promoted by Newry & Mourne. You can find on line pages and pages about Needham and the like's and how Newry has spent hundreds of thousands preserving this & that belonging to these and other English familys. Try finding one thing belonging to Newry's Irish past & you have a job on your hands, yet this place was of great importance, massive remains and undercrofts that hold the tombs of many great Irish Kings Cheiftans & their wifes & familys are still here to be seen, but only if you are one of the privilaged, & or one of our towns leading members & or one of the choosen councilors that have allready visited the" little village" beneath this so called Castle, a place which I told them all about In writting!! long before they began digging, in the fruitless search for this never was Castle.

This Cistercian arch above seen blocked up 2006 ,Is a feature In this so called Castle today,there are three of these along the front entrance to this supposed brand new built Bagenal Castle. Many other arches the same can be seen through out the old Abbey school. The supposed entranjce to the Castle is the grave yard of Newry Abbey, this area is on may old maps and renamed by the English as the shambles, for obvious reasons, like many areas called the shambles in Irish Abbeys. The origions of the above mentioned arches are in no doubt, identical arches are in the mother house in France. Ironically the red letters above the arch above, spells out to those of us in Newry how far we are allowed to go if we want to preserve our ancient cultural monument's. It's concrete clear what Newry and Mourne thinks of our needs and civil rights. This arch led in & out of the Abbots Choir & into the massive monks grave yard on Castle street. However despite my court action threats and counter attacks on the council, this holy place was torn apart & turned into a lie which has distorted Newry's Irish history even more. English history Is more Important to some. For having this view I have been called anti English, here i return the pleasure,how about some in Newry being anti Irish.

The world governing laws which forbid any single stone of any such monastic monument being hurt, unesco, passed on my complaint to their England office who rang Belfast Heritage, lol, these the people that brought about this lie in the first place,talk about talking to a brick wall, its like getting a monk hung twice. The 33 midieval bodies that were dragged from the floors of this chapel, seemingly never to return are lying on a bench In Queens Uni. These people may be your fore fathers or mothers. Newry & Mourne Council still tell us they believe " their" so called experts,these the people that now hide from this shame. These the people that hid their views since 1996 and who now admit this isnt a Castle.

My ability to challange this Newry and Mourne fabrication stuff is authenticated here. The butchering of these Newryabbey building's has continued for over 1000 years. The hate levied towards all such building during the 15th _16th centuries In Ireland seems to be reborn here In Newry Co Down. In 2006 this Catholic medival Abbey Chapel & its Choir were mutilated and torn apart,as said the 33 midieval remains were hauled from the floors of the 9 alters chapel building & as said, "at an unknown date".

Newry and Mournes experts found the carving below, in Mc Canns bakery Newry, according to them It sparked the hunt for this supposed Castle. At this time they thought they were standing In the Abbots House , but the Abbots house according to the Cistercian map was 100 yards away across the street, this "supposed lost" Abbots House was were Mc Canns opened thier first bakery In Newry Circa 1837. It was the deemed Castle of the Needhams, this being no more than an English mans home.No Newry Castles was ever registered In England & It was law to register and ask permission to build such a thing. The last Castle registered & built was In Scotland 1500, the Crown stopped the practice, because they saw people like Bagenal as a threat to seizing that which was owned by the crown.

Winston Churchill once said: "Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened." He Continued "Just as a bell that has been rung, real truth cannot be "unrung",and the annoying problem with the truth is that,once you learn it, you can not "unlearn" it. Did you hear that, a pat on the back for Sir Richard, the truth and nothing but the truth , fair play to ye, eventually.

! In the aftermath of the Sunday Telegraphs report about these hush hush N. Ireland experts, we now know what they are capable of. This done and seemingly dusted report certainly leaves a lot to be desired, especially when you see that all of these so called English youngsters which were dug from the floors, had thier faces chopped off or thier heads cut In two, barring none,ugly stuff even for this date in time when you note the ages of them, all under 25 years of age, amongst these were 3 juveniles, gorey stuff to say the least, & not unlike the remains found in Carlingford Abbey !! which were hacked through the skulls in the same way, were these British as well ?? In this day and age how unfair Is it to come out with such one way claims, especially when these people from the top down cant seem to tell an unrecorded Castle, from an almost perfect medieval church & Its Choir. Then to think they can just walk away from all these claims,with out dispute, is sad stuff. It would be Ok If all was an open and shut case, but this affair is far from that. I for one will not have this kind of ancient finger pointing going In my direction at a time when all this stuff should not be mentioned. From my research, the Newry remains were buried by decent christains, 2 Newry protestant ministers, and this after people were thrown in to the Newry river by Monroe and Bagenals troops. . Also the slaughter commited on these supposed English soildier's was commited by the Irish & or Newry people, the whole story Its all here the report Jan 2007

Bagenal Castle is a Joke, I said so in 1996 and Im still laughing today.
Here read this lot in the Sunday Telegraph It Interviews Richard Needham the man who offically opened the supposed castle & and Ken Pullin, the secretary of the Ulster Archaeological Society. It's true they have finally come clean & given support to the " Its not Bagenals Castle ".

Ireland is an old country, built on the earliest bones of time, the whole country is a vast archaeological site with millions of recorded & unrecorded features that could be anything from an interesting stone discovered on a hill, to a forgotten ring fort on a hill opposite. Resonant with local attachment and deep continuities, it has the worlds most ancient historic landscapes that gives our uniqueIrish identity. Newry played a very important role in the ancient times and is recorded by the bards as doing so through out the ages. Newry is a very special place but during the past 500 years,an intensive literal wrecking and recent bulldozing of our ancient towns history its real life embankments & medieval building that are irreplaceable & the land marks used by our ancestors are all but extinct. While you may be under the illusion that Newry began only 850 years ago, or so im told by Newry & Mourne . The facts however tell quite a different story. Newryabbey that is the very first Abbey, the one that St Patrick founded, was once called the college of Newry, this is borne out by the English annals where king Alfred is recorded as being In Newry college not long after St Pat founded it, now we cant call statments in English history books lies can we.!!

The last time's this College term was used was in 1456 & 1560,? In 1560 it was used to describe certain lands which were handed over to Bagenal, by the very generous absent land owner, undertaker, Queen Lissy, who hadnt a deed in her hands. The worst period of destruction after the reformation it seems for the Abbey was during the Corrys dynasty, when it is believed that this once very famous Abbey was brought to the edge of extinction. But again this stuff is as spurious as you can imagine when you look at the out look of the many historians who never ever wrote too much about the catholics or thier buildings in Newry for over 450 years,simply because they couldnt see them even if they wanted to,& so I dont believe a word of most of it. This Abbey building today shows you cant all ways believe what you read. Records show that much was written to decieve the magnitude of the Irish & to suit a new English way of life here. The continuity of tale telling here to suit the English Is rife still in my mind. Facts are Facts !!

IBasically what these people are telling us, is that if Canterbury Cathederal got a Lottery grant & was turned it into an unrecorded Winsor Castle, that's ok.
Sir Richard Needham told the Sunday Telegraph that he knew Irish history and because of this it was probably not Bagenals Castle. Yet he came to Newry In 2004 and endorsed the building as such. Mr Needham the former Northern Ireland Office minister said he is unconvinced that the building is Bagenal's Castle. Wish he'd relay this to 3 certain people In Newry who are still a bit lost on the issue. Why call it a Castle in the first place Richard.?? & Dont tell us you are being more Irish than the English Irish.

As said before the entity of this never was castle, wipes out the truth of all concerned In Newry's history, It not only wipes out the exact placings of the Abbey buildings, It adds a building that was never ever there, if you get my meaning, now we have two Abbots houses instead of one & you might ask were there two, ha there might have been three, but there was only one choir. Its very important that all this is put right very soon because if the Abbots house has moved position, so have the very important monks grave yard which was between these two building in question. Infact the street that meets your eyes in the picture above was the grave yard of the monks, it was once filled with head stones, & like many other Abbey grave yards In Ireland it was torn apart by the reformers, ,time allowed for them to be swallowed up by the earth, the street above became known as the shambles, try looking at maps other Abbeys In Ireland and note they all have a shambles.   Many of the monks that were buried in the street above were in fact English, Cornish and Welsh, few it seems from the writting that remain were Irish, none the less Irish names like Crilly or Creily and Sheil were amongst the many as said before that were hung & buried here.

Ironically the end of this grave yard is marked today by an English red phone box. How ill fitting.   The Abbots them selves and other senior monks were & according to Cistercian tradition burried underneath the building's in the picture above.   Many of their tombs are still there, that is if you want to believe my findings on all, these which I put on paper and gave to Newry and Mourne all those years ago telling them to please not dig these people up, but they went ahead. I was asked to keep my mouth untill the money flowed in, after they read my finding's. This person who poPped the request, has found that my anjcestors history does not have a price on its head.

The tombs of the Abbots and head priests are still there in rows, deep below the ground, I saw them, when i was a lad, was I seeing things ha dont think so, the recent film footage" Lost Castle in the city" showed this to be fact , the fottage however was very quick to dissapear from the T.V archives when it was seen to be a mistake to show it at the height of this argument. The cameras actually went down the abbots stairway into these undercrofts, which Newry and Mourne have said and printed that they havent been down to see whats there & thats theres nothing there but an English 19th cent cellar. Ha we havent been down there but its an old cellar ??

When this fake Castle came to light In 1996 Newry & Mourne council along with its money providers (English Heritage Lottery) made a very serious & worrying statment to the world. They stated that they were going to redefine the history of Newry. Not only have they done that since they have Invented a new Castle,and blanked the great church of Newry out of the history books. the cover up for this never was place is a line of unreal unprooved unrecorded jibberish,words like assume are used sporadically dates with out substance or documents, and phrases like around 1500-or was it 1670, (no recorded dates availabel).

Along with all this the citizen ship of 33 people who were dug out of the mass grave which was mentioned before have been totally changed to those of the spurious.
They tell us a copy cat tale's which were once only readable in books of Irelands wars with Britain, & that these poor people are infact English soldiers killed at assumed battle's. THEY EVEN STATE THE WRONG DATES FOR THe ASSUMED BATTLES, (EXPERTS?)

So the redefining goes on!!   St Pat even gets a kick on the arse In the Bagenal Castle book, Newry and Mourne states St Pat is so far back in the mist that nothing can be proved about him, that is after a hundred years or so holding him up in the air as being the man who got Newry on its way, alas now the man that done this is the bould Bagenal who Haverty wrote about and called him a man with Irish blood on his hands. Some swop if you ask me, sorry its not a swop its redefining !! silly me.   The famous Newry Yew trees which are recorded In the book's of ancient times & deemed planted by St Patrick are now gone for ever, or didnt you notice.?   We now have no Abbots miter either on the Newry crest just a wee couple of cottages, ironically painted the same Irish lime white as the supposed Castle. Boy !!

So in short again !! not only has English Heritage and Newry Mourne manage to change the real history of the place, they have also rewritten the book of Kells and the 4 masters & many others, all in one fould swoop. How cool are these people, mad stuff but real.

This is our precious Abbey, as precious as all others in Ireland , its not to be sold for a grant from Lottery, thisplace is very special to some and me its where my ancestors are burried, why shouldnt I shout about it.

The trials & tribulation's our ancient familys went through all those many hundreds of years ago when first building this place called Newry,were hard going times , they now deserve the real truth being told about them "for once" & not a pack of redifined words to suit a Castle that never existed.    Newry is as Irish as anywhere else in Ireland.

These people really need to get a grip, because what they are asking us to do, is to forget our cultural roots & all else before the supposed birthday of 850 which again Is the redifined date of Newry and Mournes makings. But I for one will never succomb to this redefing lark I wont have my family or yours lied about . The dead people that were dug up from the floors of this chapel deserve dignity, the quicker the bodys that Newry and Mourne dug up, are back in the hallowed soil the better.

The statue of our Lady can be seen under the red arrow in the picture below , The blue arrow shows us the Great Chapel further up the street at the entrance to Lidl. The building's in the picture just happen to be 225 feet as the Cistercian map states quite clearly they should be, another coincidence ? Click on the picture for a larger view.
Virgin Statue

The building mentioned In the above advert became Mc Canns 2nd Bakery In Newry in 1893 when the seed house was sold to Mc Canns who had thier bakery at that time across the street In the Abbey's Abbots house. This Abbots house if it were still standing would have been the true site of the supposed Castle building, but Newry & Mourne knocked it down for the new road. Was the new Castle spawned at this date,? quite a question !! However for now we stay at the not there now Abbots House, this as said Mc Canns first bakery which was as it says on the tin or advert above opened in 1836. Why the public of Newry never got this information is not so much of a secret when you look at all concerned with open eyes. At the same date that the Abbots houise was demolished, the great figure of Our Lady went missing from the front wall of the Abbey building's where it had rested 25 feet in the air for a hundred years, is it all coincidence, ? my bum, eh I mean it may be likely !! . At this same date Newry & Mourne demolished the reception house of the Abbey, this which stood almost along side the Abbots house at the head of Hyde market.

According to our Newry museum experts, the stone above is perhaps English ? & is perhaps ? medieval,& is perhaps of some date around about 1580 .!!

Not bad guesses,lol, by our highly paid experts, on both assumptions they are only out by a few hundred years or so, & sure what does that matter. This stone sparked the imagination of our Newry expert & soon she was joined in this imaginitave ideoligy by another so called expert, from Belfast English Heritage, between them they started the redefining of Newry & the Bagenal Castle hunt, the assumptions grew with the miliputated & assumed connected documents. The in reality documents which belonged to building which may have been like the fabricated Castle amd which may have had similar structures in it. The laughable fact is that the documents & plans they gleaned from the archives were Monastic ones, more laughable is the fact that the plans they show us for the supposed Castle shows the top floor as being wider that the bottom floor, a bit like having a hat thats too big for your head.

A quick Insight to the reason for this web site. In 1996 Newry and Mourne Council decided to redefine the history of the ancient town of Newry, this in all events and reality being the abbey area, which was the foundation of St Patrick (Patrician Abbey) & then St Malachy (who again founded it as a Patrician Abbey) & who was later seen to convert it into a Cistercian Abbey 1157, this being the date Newry council says that Newry was born & or fell out of the sky into being !!! , The redifining was brought about by an assumption by a supposed (Newry) expert, this person found an Item on a wall In the ancient chrch of the abbey and proclaimed an edifice of an English king. Really this is Murdock Maughlin and his hound, a church door jamb !! This claim snowballed into the clever minipulation of a 2 & a half million pound grant from the British goverment Lottery. Well done says all of us. But and there is a big but, what if & when this assumption was evolved into its farcefull reality, & its eventual wipeing out of the real historically recorded truth of the story behind the ediface & indeed the burying of the cultures & identity of those who actually carved the stone and the real history of our Newry town ?. This is just what has happened & naturally its very serious stuff. If there was one British document In support of this fabrication & assumption, id be glad to give up & call it a day, but theres not an iota of one. While it's great for the City ��s, and all those Involved ,new cars, bigger houses,(look at us we have a Castle) this twist in our real history has become a lot more than selfish aims, its become that which is commonly known as (that infamous greed for noteiroity). But while we can all look at see thids going on what about the ancient Irish family's from the true history of the place who are out there looking for family links which are now buried for ever beneath this farce of a Castle. Newryabbey's heart was my ancestors home, It was bespoiled by this Enshrined Bagenal person who Haverty describes in a very apt way. History repeats its self again the Abbey of Newry is bespoiled on behalf of the same notorious name, a name which in reality should not be even whispered In these peacefull times, but remember Newry & Mourne Council dug this & undercrofts stuff up not me.

An English Castle which was the unlived dream child of Marshall Bagenal,his real name Bagnol,is stated above St Patricks church door way !! The so called castle has now been fabricated Inside the Great medieval Church & Choir of the Blessed Virgin Mary In Castle street In Newry Co Down. Not one shred of evidence has been found to support this money making scheme. Bagenal's house was out in the highway according to an emminent visitor to Newry at the date this never was there place also was supposedly built ? . Newry and Mourne have now moved it, into the Abbey main church. According to all research Bagenal did not even have an address In the town, no builders evidence has been found to support English Lotterys case. Inside this supposed Castle a glass floor funded by Heritage Lottery covers the entrance to the tombs of the Abbots who were hanged during the Bagenal's rule in Newry . In recent times English banquets have been held In the main church above the graves of our ancestors. Now we also have a cafe in the church of the nine alters, this where people can sit and laugh in the place of God. I know there is worse happening In other churches, but at least they have thier rightfull titles. The remainder of the great chapel of the Virfin is now a British museum, with british items of war displayed ,these items pay homage to the people who's ancestors reformed this once massive & beautifull Catholic church which finally closed its doors in 1836, to facilitate the seed shop

Do you care about Newrys real history ? if you do, Newryabbey needs your vote, please click here, you do not commit your self in any way. The supposed Bagenal Castle has stolen the identity of our Blessed Virgin Church, & our Abbeys real place on the Monastic trail, all you are saying by clicking a button is that we want it back.

So to cut a long story short & like the English preverbial Cukoo, Newry and Mourne made a nest for its demolished Abbots house supposed Castle across the street 50 yards away from where it should have been ,that is if you believe it was ever built,. The whole plan went egg shape when i filed an official objection,the only official objection lodged.